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July 27, 2005 at 7:36 pm #3077

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Warning (Cindy? 😉 ) this is a longer post.

Some of you have noticed that a recent thread in this section has been hidden. A member posted about a bad experience with a seller. The seller than indicated to me that this was a misunderstanding, and that the transaction never went through, so the buyer was never charged. In an attempt to be fair, I have hidden the thread to give the seller a chance to clear this up with the buyer. If email from the payment processor exists to show that the payment was cancelled, then sharing these with the buyer could clear this up very quickly. Panty Hog is here to increase the enjoyment of the used panty community. I love that part, but I won?t lie, this part sucks. I?ll also say that not having been involved, we only know as much about the situation as was posted.

I think it is great that people have found the Panty Talk forum to be a place to share the good and the bad. I think that a rip off report area is important. However, as I?ve learned, it also puts Panty Hog in a sticky situation. While we?re still a newer site, and are working to get more active participation by all members, I am always amazed at how many people are checking out Panty Hog. Google, MSN, Yahoo, and the others are here indexing very frequently, and through searches I have noticed that sites that typically have absolutely nothing to with used panties are talking about Panty Hog. New or not then, if you get good or bad press here, it is likely to be seen by a significant number of prospective buyers.? Therefore, the dilemma for us at Panty Hog is to be responsible and careful to not damage an innocent person?s reputation, while at the same time helping to protect buyers from getting ripped off. When it becomes a ?he says, she says? situation it makes this process even more difficult. This is something that we admittedly need to work on so that it is fair to all.

When a misunderstanding occurs (as they can and do), than I positively don?t want to see someone hurt by our site without the chance to clear it up. On the other hand, and I?m talking to all sellers here this isn?t meant for anyone in particular, my advice for what it?s worth, is that if you are going to go into the business of selling on the internet, than you need to do whatever it takes to clear up problems. If a buyer thinks he paid you, and you have proof that he hasn?t, send him the proof. Everybody?s familiarity with the Internet still remains at differing levels. You shouldn?t automatically assume that someone is trying to screw you because they could simply be mistaken. It happens, and when you consider that someone went out of his or her way to spend their hard-earned money to buy from you among all those out there, why not show the high road and nicely work it out?

I?m an optimist, and always hope for the best. I believe that most of these situations are the result of miss-communications that can be cleared up. If, as I hope, this particular situation falls into this category, than I sincerely wish both parties only the best and success. With that though, if a site/seller truly belongs in the rip off area of this forum, then so be it. Let?s face it (no offence meant to conservative republicans) the world right now is a fucking mess. We?ve got absolutely insane animals running around blowing themselves and innocent people up. We?ve got hooded freaks cutting off people?s heads. Starvation, sickness, and poverty abound. Here in the USA, tens of thousands are losing their jobs; Wal-Mart is decimating communities and putting 100 year-old American companies like RubberMaid out of business. We have ?the most advanced heath care in the world?, yet people who aren?t even so sick are dying because they can?t afford to see a doctor or buy the medication that they need. Gas prices have gone up a dollar a gallon and keep rising; families are worried about affording a place to live and putting food on the table. Brother, if among all this, you would scam a man out of a few bucks that he has sent you for the very simple pleasure of a pair of used panties, than you are truly the lowest form of ass slime imaginable.

Sorry for the downer. Let?s have some fun while we?re able!

-PK

July 27, 2005 at 8:06 pm #3078

leatherznzpice
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Well posted and well said PKÂ 🙂

Let’s hope Cindy is more awake when she reads this post heheheÂ 😉

July 27, 2005 at 9:26 pm #3079

jazzy
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This i think is a tricky subject.I once posted that i had lost money from a seller(no name) on e-bay.I now realise an innocent party may be accused and without an immediate reply the damage will have been done.Another point is a customer with a grude may falsely accuse a seller or vice-versa.It is a good idea to warn others but only when the truth is told,how do we know.Sadly not all people are honest.
Ido hate to see people being hurt so please be sure of all the facts,buyers and sellers.

:unsure:? Jazzy? :unsure:

July 27, 2005 at 9:48 pm #3082

Anonymous
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You are all right.

Gosh, every one, even the best panty girls will have had some problems along the way and bashed heads over whose fault it was. But if you can say hand on heart, I HAVE NOT decieved my gent, and that my site IS what it represents then there’s no worries. The truth will always out.

We’re all clever people, we draw our own conclusions.

I have to say that I think the rip off area is great. I think the response from seller/buyer says more than the original complaint. If you can (calmly) come to an agreement that leaves you both happy, and on top of that, do it publicly then you’ll more than likely win people over with your honesty. Munching humble pie in public is pretty damn difficult, so it’s handbags at dawn!!! 😉 Que the karma bashingÂ :cheer:

July 27, 2005 at 10:04 pm #3083

darkhairedkaren
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A very fair approach, PK.Â I think the Ripoff Warning area should stay, simply because it is a place to communicate bad experiences (and a seller seeing her name here might be galvanized into addressing the problem if she had previously been ignoring the buyer’s complaints.)

Since the buyer usually sends payment before the seller sends the panties, I think it’s VERY important that we treat the buyers (who show a measure of trust in us sellers by sending payment up front) with the respect and service they deserve.

Kisses and panties,

Karen
XOXOÂ 😉

July 28, 2005 at 9:39 am #3086

Cindy_PantyParadise
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Hi PK … thanks for the warning of that monster post of yours .. but I managed to keep awake during that looooooooong, but very interesting post.? I have since adopted ‘ass slime’ as my “word of the week” hehee

I totally agree that the Rip Off Warnings should stay! It is a good way for both buyers and sellers to share their bad experiences, however, what I fail to grasp is “why” sellers refuse to sort out minor problems or misunderstandings and just ignore their clients?!?!?!?!

This act in itself just generates a snowball effect and then as the problem snowballs, it can end up having an effect on all us genuine, honest panty girls too …..the buyer starts to think he has been given the “fuzzy end of the lolly stick” and assumes that this will happen again with someone else.

So girls …please – if you dont enjoy what you do and you just think its a good way to rip people off to pay for your own selfishness, then go do something else – the panty community doesn’t want you.

And buyers, make sure you have REALLY made a proper effort in contacting your seller if you are unhappy with an order and try sorting everything out before you start posting.

Cinds x

July 28, 2005 at 5:44 pm #3087

leatherznzpice
Member

The rest of us skirt around the issues and Cindy gets straight to the heart of the matter .. well said Cindy!

July 28, 2005 at 6:06 pm #3090

Cindy_PantyParadise
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[quote author=leatherznzpice link=topic=316.msg1629#msg1629 date=1122572643]
The rest of us skirt around the issues and Cindy gets straight to the heart of the matter .. well said Cindy!

Well, you should know me by now from my posts that Im not one to “pussy foot” around – I dont see the point … unless it is a special request, of course!? 😉

October 2, 2005 at 8:58 pm #4361

PhantomX
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[quote author=darkhairedkaren link=topic=316.msg1625#msg1625 date=1122501881]
A very fair approach, PK.? I think the Ripoff Warning area should stay, simply because it is a place to communicate bad experiences (and a seller seeing her name here might be galvanized into addressing the problem if she had previously been ignoring the buyer’s complaints.)

Since the buyer usually sends payment before the seller sends the panties, I think it’s VERY important that we treat the buyers (who show a measure of trust in us sellers by sending payment up front) with the respect and service they deserve.

As a buyer myself it’s very re-assuring to see a seller with your atitude and i do agree with everything that is being said here.? I have encountered many ripoff sellers myself, but have always tried to contact them just to make sure there isn’t a problem with e-mails etc.? Unfortunately, the ripoff sellers just ignore e-mails sent to them which is very frustrating.? Well I’m not going to bore you all, so I’ll just say that this ripoff warning area is a very good idea and should stay.

December 15, 2005 at 8:41 am #5386

worn4u
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Sorry this is C**P what if a site mentioned is not a member of this forum? Most threads of rip off warnings have nothing to do with ‘Rip Off Warnings’.. In fact I feel so strongly I have left a thread myself entitled THIS NEEDS SORTING.

If it was ‘Moderated’ correctly okay but although I love the moderators I for one will speak my mind and say ‘THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB CORRECTLY’ in my humble opinion… NO hard feelings, I believe in speaking my mind and I can say hand on heart, if it was one of your sites getting attacked it would be sorted…

Also Cindy, come on, we get on great I love ya, but you do not have a right to say how so many sellers do not address the situation, how do you really know that they are not? Are you just taking a buyers word for it?? Would a fly by night site really bother what is being said on here:huh:

If you have a domain name, a decent site and have been around a long time, your intentions are genuine. If you have a freebie site then beware, the same as buying from auctions, rip a few off, close account, open a new one under a new username….

RIP OFF WARNING – Would work if it was being used as it should be…

Sorry for speaking my mind and ruffling a few feathers maybe, I stress, no hard feelings, hope we can still all be friends…

Donna

December 15, 2005 at 9:28 am #5387

Cindy_PantyParadise
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Hi Donna, your post actually made me smile because you havent ruffled any feathers at all and I believe you have actually read my post wrong.

I dont side with buyers or sellers – I am totally neutral, and if you read my post properly you will see that I have actually addressed buyers to try and sort out any problems with sellers before even thinking of posting here.

Also, there ARE many rip off sites out there Donna, which I am sure you are also aware of and if someone did not receive what they paid for, and are being ignored by a seller then they are damn well within their rights to say it and warn others!

Perhaps I will ask Admin to remove me from moderating this Rip Off board as the last thing I want to do is cause any bad feelings in sellers believing that I am taking sides, which simply isnt true.

As for your other thread concerning Angelina, I have not been around lately as my mother almost died last week and to be honest with you, as I am not the only moderator on this board I felt that I wouldnt be missed for a week or so.Â But obviously its all my fault that I didnt do something about the latest post concerning Angelina!??

I am certainly NOT God, and I dont pretend to be either, but if a buyer or a seller has a very bad experience then why not mention it. I do everything in my power to keep my clients happy and to be honest thats how it should be!

But maybe the rip off thread should go altogether – it just seems to be causing a great deal of problems for some?!!

Donna – as for still being friends .. of course 🙂 … I don’t have a problem in your opinions at all.

However, I will no longer be moderating this particular section, whether it stays or goes!Â

Cinds

December 15, 2005 at 10:50 am #5388

Jules
Member

[quote author=worn4u link=topic=316.msg4040#msg4040 date=1134636065]
If you have a domain name, a decent site and have been around a long time, your intentions are genuine. If you have a freebie site then beware, the same as buying from auctions, rip a few off, close account, open a new one under a new username….

Hi Donna,
In my opinion, just because someone has a freebie site does not always mean that person (or people) are rip offs. I currently have such a site and would never rip anyone off. When I first started selling panties (7 months ago) I had made a mistake and used Geocities as I saw other “girls” on the web doing the same, and I didn’t read the fine print when making my site.? :unsure: My site got removed, and it was only last month that I found a free adult hosting site. I would prefer to stay put where I am, but would like to know from you and the other panty sellers on here if you ladies think I should take that big step into buying a site, or leave it as it is?? :ohmy:

December 15, 2005 at 11:07 am #5389

Cindy_PantyParadise
Member

Hey Jules
of course no-one can stereotype a rip off/panty farm site, whether its a free hosted site or a long running proper site – they all exist.? The only people that really know are the buyers. So to label all free hosted sites as rip offs is just very silly!

Dark Haired Karen runs her great little panty site successfully from her blogger and a few other girls also run their sites from geocities (or the like) or from other free hosting sites like yourself – even I started with a geocities one and Im certainly not a fake.

Basically it doesnt matter where you host your site in my opinion – if you are good and take care of your clients, they wont mind either and will come back for more!!!

Maybe post your question in another area of the forum and ask the buyers their opinion?

Love? Cinds x

December 15, 2005 at 12:23 pm #5390

Jules
Member

Thanks Cindy, I’ll do that right now!

smt

December 15, 2005 at 4:17 pm #5393

darkhairedkaren
Member

[quote author=worn4u link=topic=316.msg4040#msg4040 date=1134636065] Most threads of rip off warnings have nothing to do with ‘Rip Off Warnings’..

Donna, you are right.Â I am glad PK stepped in to clarify what should and shouldn’t be in this area.Â It’s for instances where the customer did not receive what was explicitly promised by the seller (e.g. no panties, not by the girl pictured, “delivery within one week of order”, etc.)Â It’s not for complaints about customer service (e.g. delivery that is perceived to be slow, correspondence by the seller that the buyer doesn’t like, weak panties UNLESS you believe they were not worn by the girl shown for the stated amount of time.)Â

I wouldn’t like censorship by having every post approved before it is published, so why not have a “form” that each new post has to follow; the writer must state:
– who the seller was
– when the transaction took place
– how much the buyer paid
– what the item was supposed to be
– what about the item was not as represented.

For posts about “this site looks fishy”, the poster obviously can’t answer these questions because s/he hasn’t bought anything (and thus it would not be a genuine complaint.)Â The questions are a guideline about what it takes to be a genuine “ripoff” complaint.Â If a post doesn’t conform to the format given or can’t answer the questions satisfactorily, it will be deleted.Â (If it’s a genuine rip off complaint the poster can always post again using the proper format.)

As an official rule, perhaps the moderator should contact any seller who has a legitimate rip off complaint levelled against her.Â We have had “complaints” posted here where, upon reading the seller’s side (and seeing the actual e-mails that were sent), it was obviously a retaliatory gesture to post the complaint (or the buyer was expecting service/products/freebies far out of the norm of the used panty community.)
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