Best places to advertise?

[Anonymous]

I like Panty Trust, nice people.

Just like you say Andie I have a few gents that’ll only use me because I’m PTV’d. Think it just shows some initiative when you take the time. Anything little that helps back up the fact you’re genuinel can’t be bad, plus you get some free advertising  🙂

smt

[chandiespanties]

Maybe I’ll go ahead and do it then  🙂

Please understand I was in no way trying to call into question the service they offer. It’s just that I’ve always wondered if buyers were really reassured by it.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always thought that the sign and panties thing just proved that that particular girl was wearing those particular panties. No guarantee that she will be wearing subsequent ones….
Perhaps I’m overlooking something  :unsure:

And I agree Jess. It does demonstrate that the seller has gone the extra mile to prove she’s real.

And I may well join you all in chat when my schedule is a little less hectic! Things will be back to normal later this week. Don’t have a webcam though…

C x

[darkhairedkaren]

[quote author=chandiespanties link=topic=422.msg2468#msg2468 date=1125944499]
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always thought that the sign and panties thing just proved that that particular girl was wearing those particular panties. No guarantee that she will be wearing subsequent ones….
Perhaps I’m overlooking something  :unsure:

Chandie, I have thought the exact same thing.  The system is not foolproof.  But it is certainly better than nothing.

[SaucySassy]

hiya

I have to agree with Jess, being Panty Trust Verified is definitely worth it, they are lovely people.

smt

[cherie]

I think you hit the nail on the head Chandie.? A clever mackerel-man would only have to have a girl pose for the original panty trust pic, get the seal, and then dispense with the actual girl.

However, Panty Trust also offers dispute resolution, so if a buyer feels they were ripped off they can appeal to Panty Trust.? The seller would then have to deal with the disgruntled customer somehow or lose their verification.? So I imagine a mackerel man who scammed his way into getting verified wouldn’t be able to hang onto the seal for long.? A panty-mill with real girls might be able to get away with it though.

Um, Cindy or Leatherz, do you think this discussion could be moved into it’s own thread?? My moderator powers don’t seem to extend outside of the sissy forum…or else I’m just wholly clueless about how to do it.? Take your pick.? :laugh:

xo
Cherie

[andie]

I think it is highly doubtful that mackerel dude would bother or even take the risk. Besides if a dude had the girl willing to pose why wouldn’t he just have her sell them. I think you people are missing the point of what panty trust is about entirely. jo

[Krooze]

[quote author=andie link=topic=422.msg2556#msg2556 date=1126454776]
… I think you people are missing the point of what panty trust is about entirely. jo

Maybe you could enlighten the people here, then?

B)

[cherie]

[quote author=andie link=topic=422.msg2556#msg2556 date=1126454776]
I think it is highly doubtful that mackerel dude would bother or even take the risk. Besides if a dude had the girl willing to pose why wouldn’t he just have her sell them. I think you people are missing the point of what panty trust is about entirely. jo

I’m not sure we’re missing the point andie. ?Panty Trust exists to provide a “verification” to potential buyers that a seller is genuine, and pretending that the system is flawless only leaves it open for scammers to get away with it. ?

As you said, a mackerel man probably wouldn’t bother with it. ?But the runner of a panty mill, where the panties are worn by the site owner’s sisters, friends, grandmother or landlady – anybody BUT the girl in the pics – could very well try to scam Panty Trust!

I think a LOT of buyers don’t even know that Panty Trust exists, what it’s for, or (most important!) that it’s there as a resource if they have trouble with a seller.

Besides, is it so absurd to think that a girl might be willing to pose for one picture, yet not want to be regularly selling her panties?

xo
Cherie

(who is thinking andie mayhap doesn’t know all the stuff we “professional” panty-girls do to keep our customers happy!)

[Amy8]

I have requested an interview with Panty Trust for our interviews section in the past, but so far I haven’t been able to get it. In their defense, however, I’ve also requested an interveiw with other “big players” in the used panty community such as ebanned and haven’t heard from them either. The reason for requesting these interviews is exactly for this type of event where it seems people need and want more information about these places that might not be found on their sites.

Just as Andie may not ” know all the stuff we “professional” panty-girls do to keep our customers happy” so we might not know everything there is to know about Panty Trust, ebanned, ebare, etc.

Please don’t take this wrong way Cherie, we are all for free and uncensored discussion at Panty Hog, but I hate to see people, organizations, or businesses get bashed here without having the opportunity to present their side of the story. Thus, I have sent an email to Panty Trust (they do submit news items here regularly) asking them to check out this thread and chime in if they’d like. I say if we can get the information from the source itself, then maybe we’ll get some answers to our questions.

😉 Amy

[cherie]

Amy,

I am not in any way meaning to bash Panty Trust, and I’m sorry if that’s how I sounded.? ?:blush:? I think they (and you!) provide a very important service for the worn panty community.? I also think that while somebody could easily get away with *getting* a PTrust seal under false pretences, *keeping* it in the face of even one customer complaint would be dammned difficult unless you were a genuine seller, genuinely committed to keeping your customers happy.

(Which is why it surprises me that more sellers – and buyers! – aren’t using their services!)

The comment about “professional” panty sellers was just to point out that the panties we deliver have a LOT more to them than just being worn for a day.? Andie said:

[quote author=andie link=topic=422.msg2556#msg2556 date=1126454776]
I think it is highly doubtful that mackerel dude would bother or even take the risk. Besides if a dude had the girl willing to pose why wouldn’t he just have her sell them. I think you people are missing the point of what panty trust is about entirely. jo

Spending ten minutes, or even a couple of hours, posing for one (or more) pictures is an entirely different kettle of fish than wearing panties to order.? Just the most basic example – who among us doesn’t masturbate in the panties we send?? And how many of us would keep those panties on every time we masturbate, or do stuff like jam them up inside ourselves, if they weren’t getting sent to somebody?? That’s not even getting into more particular requests, like extra ass-musk or whatever.? And also doesn’t consider the extra care we take in other ways…tenderly wrapping them up with lipstick kisses and all…emails before and after…sometimes extra pics or webcam chats..etcetcetc.? Selling your panties entails a lot more than just wearing them!

:unsure: And none of this has anything to do with best places to advertise…

xxx
Cherie

[jazzy]

I think like all good set-ups there will be a few rotten apples,as there is in all walks of life,so i suggest we highlight all good sellers ,regardless groups or individuals and lets promote the best and ignore the worst,unless they are truly bad and  need to be named and shamed.
let the cream rise to the top. smt

just a thought. :huh:

          :laugh: Jazzy  :laugh:

[darkhairedkaren]

Spending ten minutes, or even a couple of hours, posing for one (or more) pictures is an entirely different kettle of fish than wearing panties to order.  Just the most basic example – who among us doesn’t masturbate in the panties we send?  And how many of us would keep those panties on every time we masturbate, or do stuff like jam them up inside ourselves, if they weren’t getting sent to somebody?  That’s not even getting into more particular requests, like extra ass-musk or whatever.  And also doesn’t consider the extra care we take in other ways…tenderly wrapping them up with lipstick kisses and all…emails before and after…sometimes extra pics or webcam chats..etcetcetc.  Selling your panties entails a lot more than just wearing them!

I stand firmly behind Cherie’s comments.  Brava!

What customer service isn’t: stripping off your panties, tossing them in a business-sized envelope, shoving that envelope in the mailbox.  Ceasing to send or reply to e-mails once payment is received.  Never following up to see if a panty arrived (and was pleasing to the recipient.)

If this was what being a pro panty girl was about, anyone could do it.  The lipstick kisses, e-mails, extra pics, etc. Cherie mentioned are things we do because we adore our clients.  It is too time consuming (and not $$$ worth the time) to try to fake that sort of enthusiasm.

It is absolutely conceivable that a panty mill operator would fulfill the Panty Trust requirements to get verification, but still not produce the products (a particular panty worn by a particular woman, made to order) s/he advertised.  PTV is a great tool, but currently the only way to be 100% sure you are getting what you paid for is to follow the woman around for the entire 48 hours, making sure she is wearing (and masturbating in, etc.) your panty.  Anything less than that involves a little bit of risk/faith.

[PTrust]

Hello Panty Hoggers,
First a big apology to Amy. The interview has been on my list, and I?m sorry that I haven?t yet made the time to do it. I will contact you this week to get this done.

I am assuming that I will have an opportunity provide more detailed information regarding Panty Trust in the interview, but I am happy to at least touch on some of the questions and/or concerns raised here in this forum. I?ve read through the posts here and think that I can address them in this space. I think I understand what the user Andie was trying to say here regarding an understanding of what Panty Trust is all about. Verification is actually only a part of Panty Trust. Referring to Panty Trust as a verification service is akin to calling McDonald?s a French fry store. Like the fries at McD?s, verification is on our menu, but so is a great deal more. Associating Panty Trust solely with used panty seller verification is probably partially caused by our advertisements (banner ads) that are seen around the web. Unfortunately, a banner ad has less than one half of one second to catch a surfer?s attention. The verification theme of our ads simply grabs attention much better than say something about our third party dispute resolution and mediation services would. Our hope and intention of course is that the surfer will click the ad and then learn of all of our services once they visit the site. I won?t take up much more space here on issues not related to the verification topic; I?ll save that for the interview.

Our verification process is the most comprehensive on the web, period. Since the goal of Panty Trust is to promote fair business practices in the used panty community, we genuinely appreciate the steps that selling sites have taken to verify sellers on their venues. However, let?s face it, a commonly used step of ensuring the seller has a credit card tells you simply that the seller has a credit card. Our process works because it is multi-faceted and it addresses the issues that are most meaningful to a potential buyer. The basic process we use is outlined on our web site. If you take a look at it, you?ll see that the next step to go beyond our process would be as someone mentioned here, to actually have a Panty Trust volunteer present in the room to supervise the lady removing her panties and sealing them in the envelope. Obviously, impractical.

As far as scammers attempting to get around our process, I think you?d be very surprised at how infrequently this happens (see next paragraph for what we do see more frequently). I believe there are several reasons why they shy away from us – people in general are lazy, it is a lot of work to put together the sham, becoming Panty Trust verified doesn?t provide any immediate financial gain for the scammer as listing an auction might, and it is a waste of time for them. For example, they spend hours setting up a site, listing auctions, etc. they approach us, we expose them to the selling venues, and now they?re stuck. Also, what you don?t see in the steps listed on our site is what goes on behind the scenes. First of all, the volunteers at Panty Trust aren?t idiots. Everyone has been around awhile, several are long-term seller?s themselves (all Panty Trust members are invited to volunteer), and we deal with issues of verification everyday. We?ve seen the tricks and ploys, and as much as a scammer might like to think other wise, he/she wasn?t the first to think it up. Second, we talk, talk, and talk some more with the owners of the auction venues, selling sites, and experienced panty sellers. It?s bad for everyone?s business to have a fraud selling on their site, so people are happy to work together in this respect.

Instead of scammers attempting to ?beat the verification system?, what we at Panty Trust encounter far more are people trying to fool buyers into believing that they are verified by Panty Trust. So far we have paid out two thousand dollars in rewards to people who have turned in unauthorized users of our seal. We are very proud of the fact that Panty Trust has many loyal users who keep their eyes open for us. We now use a bot that crawls the internet looking for our seal. While this has curtailed the fake seal problem tremendously, now we see people simply posting a photo of a lady holding a sign that says ?Panty Trust? on it. A person that is truly a Panty Trust member will have a Panty Trust seal that when clicked takes you to their own page not the Panty Trust index page, etc.

This is getting to be a much too long forum post, but just to quickly address Cherie?s question on use and awareness of Panty Trust. Anyone who has ever visited a major adult auction site, did a search engine search for used panties, or surfed panty seller sites has been exposed to Panty Trust seals or ads (although they may have no idea of what we are all about). More and more when I visit selling venues and auction sites I see ladies that aren?t members of Panty Trust holding up signs or offering to hold up signs in their photos and I?m fairly certain where they got that idea. Not every real seller is a member of Panty Trust simply because they don?t belong there. Being ?real? is only a prerequisite for being a member. To be a member of Panty Trust, you must be committed to bettering the used panty sales community by promoting fair business practices and have a genuine concern for your buyers. I always say that if there were only one honest seller committed to customer service and the satisfaction of her clients, than we?d be happy to have only that one member. Jazzy summed up my philosophy pretty well regarding the cream of the crop. It’s our reputation, and being a panty seller that is a real person isn’t good enough for the buyers that use our site. There are tons of real ladies selling panties, but we are only interested in promoting and recognizing the real cream of the crop.

Feel free to email me with questions.

Bill
For Panty Trust

[Pencap]

Let me be the first to thank you Bill, for that brief glimpse of PT, and joining us here at Tha Hog!!….I look forward to the interview….go get em AMY!

[PTrust]

[quote author=Pencap link=topic=422.msg2602#msg2602 date=1126577030]
Let me be the first to thank you Bill, for that brief glimpse of PT, and joining us here at Tha Hog!!….I look forward to the interview….go get em AMY!

Brief?  :cheer:

Thank you Pencap.

[Author]

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