Now accepting.. also panty trust Q

[Prodromoi]

Normally I dislike becoming involved in forum flame wars.  However, jessica, I feel compelled to offer some hopefully easy to understand answers to your queries and comments.

[quote author=jessicasdirtyknickers link=topic=2624.msg17059#msg17059 date=1189980046]
I’m just not naive enough to part with my money and not ask where it goes.
Being naïve or new has nothing to do with the issue – one can ask questions without taking a rude or antagonistic tone.  In fact, you’re actually more likely to get a helpful response if you do so.

[quote author=jessicasdirtyknickers link=topic=2624.msg17024#msg17024 date=1189811755]
amazon gift certificates!
who actually runs panty trust? I’m interested in becoming verified…but not so keen to pay..haha.

You want the benefits of a service without paying for the service?
So, if you and everyone else does that, how precisely do you expect that service to be able to continue?  I’m presuming that you pay for food, electricity, a phone connection and an internet connection to name but a few.  So why should you be exempt from paying for this service?

[quote author=jessicasdirtyknickers link=topic=2624.msg17048#msg17048 date=1189954450]
I would love to get verified…i’m just not so keen on sending a weeks shopping £ and a pair of knickers to somebody called Bill….

You can do your week’s shopping for twenty pounds?  How singular.

Britain is still nominally a free country, and so no-one is forcing you to apply to join The Panty Trust.  If you don’t want to join, then don’t.  If you do want to join, then pay the same fee that other members have and see if the Trust will take you…

[jessicasdirtyknickers]

ruby red..you’ve been nothing but friendly, informative and very helpful! smt

[jessicasdirtyknickers]

quote: one can ask questions without taking a rude or antagonistic tone.  In fact, you’re actually more likely to get a helpful response if you do so.

One can also answer questions without implying one is stupid.

quote: I’m quite frankly amazed at these questions.

quote: Holy Shit talk about sticking both your feet straight up the gift horse’s ass.

I could go on……..

I was being very nice and polite when i first wrote the question.
I’m not the unfriendly one.

[mikeguk]

Speaking as a buyer who buys from lots of the ladies here at PH and else where, i nearly always perfer dealing with seller`s who has become  PT “validated” as i know that person has taken the time and effort to become a part of this little community of ours and hopefully will stay for the long term and not a 6 month wonder! By spending a few ££ now, i have from being around sometime, knows that it pays for its self many times over
For a very small outlay, which i might add, is nothing to compared  to  what i spend on buying! Just remember this, its not about you showing the other seller`s your commintent, but the guys who will hopefully buy your delightful undies.
Too many times in the past i have been ripped off by sellers and that is one of the reason`s that via my blog that i promote Panty Trust, Panty Hog and other sellers who i know and trust.
I might add that apart from being a member here, i have no connections with with any of the site`s. I do what i do because i want to pay back in the only why i know for all the help and friendship that has been shown and offered to me by nearly everyone that i deal with.

[poppolulu]

So Jessica…. you think your the only one who wants to get verified? You think your the only one who is short on cash… look love you have to spend money to make money in this world, and to be frank I DONT LIKE YOUR BLOODY ATTITUDE! Ever since you started posting I havent liked your attitude, people bend over backwards trying to help and then you turn round like a bitch and disrespect them?! Who the hell do you think you are? Which panty girls are going to want any thing to do with you now? Whos going to help you when you need it? Whos going to link you on there sites? NO ONE! You need to sort out your attitude girl before thinking you can get thru life…. Once you have started treating people with abit of respect then come back and post on here, untill then… I dont wanna hear you complaining, and I think you ought to appologise TO THE GOD DAMN PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO HELP YOU IN THE FIRST GOD DAMN PLACE!

[jessicasdirtyknickers]

I think you need a calm down and realise it was just a general question! I wasn’t trying to make enemies! You think you’ve been helpful? What by replying to a few posts. I don’t even know who you are?

I wanted to get to know you all but why bother when I just get my head bitten off? 🙁

[FetishKitten]

I am not biting your head off, but I wont sugar coat my answers  over something like this.

Get to know us all, fine, but dont expect people to not get offended when you phrase your posts in the way you did here.

[admin]

Jessica,

I said you were sticking both your feet up the gift horse’s ass. What this means is that of all the services to imply, as you clearly have, that there is some con behind a service whose only reason for existence is to promote you, the panty seller, and give buyers a fair shake is beyond ridiculous.

This is clearly not being a “smart consumer” as you claim. Yes, your posts here instead are seeming rather silly and I suspect your real intention here is simply to stir things up a bit.

PK

[jessicasdirtyknickers]

I was just questioning who Bill was. All I know is that he runs the Panty Trust. thats it! i just wanted to know who he was and how he came to run the place. I’m sorry if by asking Bill who he was I offended you all.

I guess I should’ve already known the answer and not been so selfish and rude to question Bill otherwise?

And damn I should’ve known my knickers got sent to Anna being from the UK!

I think I might just stick to cam shows for my naughty side 😛 The panty community has been most unwelcoming.

[PTrust]

Hello and thank you to those that have posted nice comments here. Jessica since some of your questions were answered in it, I get the feeling that you didn’t read any of the long post I put here in response to your first question, nor do you seem to have read any of the information on the Panty Trust site. That’s disappointing because as I write this, I imagine you won’t take the time to read this either. Likewise, the thread is rather distasteful to Panty Trust and its members and supporters because it seems that you have missed the boat entirely on what Panty Trust is all about. Money has nothing to do with it, Panty Trust is here for those that wish to constantly improve the used panty fetish community that we all care for.

For those actually interested and that do get the reason for Panty Trust, I’m happy to answer the questions posed.

Bill, how did you come to open panty trust? Are you a ex/current panty buyer who decided to set it up for the girls?

As I said in my first response and as is related on our site, Panty Trust was started by a group of buyers and sellers on an adult auction site. It was moved by this group to become an independent service in 2003. Over the last six years, members of this original group got busy with life, moved on, etc. Sean and I are the only two who have consistently been here the whole time. How is it that I happen to manage and work as webmaster of Panty Trust? Simple, nobody else has volunteered. I’m the only one so far that has been able to commit the time and resources needed to run it. I had the technical ability, and the wallet available to fund the site out of my pocket for several years. We have many members and countless buyers depending on me as the manager to make sure the operation of Panty Trust goes smoothly. If someone came along that could be absolutely trusted to commit the time and effort to do the same as I do, I’d be happy to get them involved.

What is the “small fee” for?

The small fee of $35.00 is to discourage people from wasting Panty Trust’s and their own time. As Panty Trust grew we started to get a large amount of applications from people who obviously didn’t give a hoot about the philosophy behind Panty Trust they just wanted an “ad”. Plus a number of people who would start the process wouldn’t finish it. We’d spend a couple of hours time working with them, setting up their web page and membership just to have them turn around and tell us that they decided not to sell after all, if they even did respond. The token fee that we have weeds out those that are not committed and ensures that we only process serious applicants. $35.00 can easily be spent on listing a seven day featured auction on a popular adult auction site. If no one bids in that seven days you’ve got nothing but a bill. $35.00 spent at Panty Trust however gives you a lifetime membership and entitlement to all its benefits. The tangible benefits are clearly listed on our web site. Those mean nothing however when compared to the intangible benefits.

Where does the money go exactly?

First of all, keep in mind when Panty Trust is sent $40.00 some of that is lost immediately through the processing fees imposed by our payment processor. Then, $5.00 of what we do get goes into escrow because it is given back to the member if/when the leave Panty Trust. The exact place the money goes is back into the site to promote our members. Specifically, it pays for hosting, domain registration, paying to advertise on other sites, SEO services, payment of fees for our merchant account, and paying for ad word advertisement on Google and Yahoo. Notice, there is nothing that Panty Trust sells. We don’t even accept paid advertising due to the nature of being an unbiased service. The money we spend to promote and advertise the service/site is 100% for the sales benefit of the women listed as members. If at the end of the month we somehow manage to have something left over, I might be a little selfish and put it toward the payment for a Big Gulp to keep me awake while I work on the site and its promotion in the middle of the night after my wife and kids have gone to bed.

I would love to get verified…i’m just not so keen on sending a weeks shopping £ and a pair of knickers to somebody called Bill.…

You don’t send your shopping money to an individual named Bill. You send it to an organization named Panty Trust. The fact that I volunteer to make sure that money is used responsibly to keep the organization viable by using it to pay the organization’s bills is meaningless. If the membership of Panty Trust trusted you to do it, I’d love the help. Incidentally, you are not a member of panty Trust, and I notice your website is hosted on a free server, you go by a made up name, you don’t show your face, and you appear to be using stock photos borrowed from another web site anyway. Why exactly should I be expected to share my complete personal details with you? I manage Panty Trust, I work for it for the organization, I am not Panty Trust itself. Many people are involved in some manner or another. Some members who have been around awhile do know me more personally, but I don’t make it a habit of dicussing my personal life with anyone that asks out of the blue. Do you ask for the personal life information of all the employees working at Walmat before you buy something?

I’m sure other girls wanting to sell have thought the same and you’ve probably been asked all this in the past.

You are correct there is information addressing these types of questions on the Panty Trust website and on these Panty Hog forums.

Thank you, Bill, Panty Trust Manager

[jessicasdirtyknickers]

look i’m sure you can understand where i’m coming from,I  signed up here in hopes of making a little extra money from selling panties and I just got told that to have a better chance of doing so I have to send my product free of charge to someone i’ve never heard of and also pay for the privilege.

Can anyone honestly say they wouldn’t have a few questions over this situation?

I am more than happy to consider verification if it confirms my honesty and intent to provide the service I offer and so surely you can’t blame me if I wish to verify the worth of doing so.

I have read up on panty trust thoroughly already and simply wanted to clarify with people who have had experience and can help me make a decision.

I’m sorry if I caused any offence..it really was a genuine question and not an attempt to undermine you all.
jess

[admin]

[quote author=jessicasdirtyknickers link=topic=2624.msg17078#msg17078 date=1189991953]
so I have to send my product free of charge to someone I’ve never heard of and also pay for the privilege.

Jessica I’ve just witnessed many people here including the main man at Panty Trust himself spend way more time than they should have on one of the last lazy Sundays of the late summer season explaining exactly what you asked about. Bill even took your questions one by one and answered each of them thoroughly which is frankly way more than I felt was necessary. He even itemized Panty Trust’s bank statement for you. If you have actually really read any of these replies and you still walk away with what I have quoted from you above, then honestly, I think all that is left to say on this matter is… “Wow”  :ohmy:.

By the way everyone, you can also read more information about Panty Trust including an interview with Bill in the July 2006 issue of Bizarre Magizine (http://bizarremag.com/) it is probably in their web archives by now and possibly in the old issue periodical section of your local library (depending on how “hip” your librarian is :P) .

:coolsmiley: PK

[anni]

Situations like these are too common because letters can’t express tone. One silver linning I do enjoy is getting to hear about the philosophy of the panty community.

It gets me really pumped remembering that I’m apart of something special and unique.

When I first started posting I felt out of place, but give yourself some time to grow.  🙂

[Cindy_PantyParadise]

Hi Jessica. I have been around longer than anyone here, including Panty Hog and Panty Trust. I even helped promote Panty Trust in its infancy and it was exactly what the community needed.  It has helped good sellers become established and trusted.

Why would anyone question paying for a service? Do you question Google Adwords for example? Do you question your webhosting?  Same thing darlin’. Panty Trust provides a bloody good service and Bill spends HOURS making pages for those girls who do not understand HTML.  In my opinion it is a minimal fee that is asked – hell I paid more than that for a small advertisment box that run ONCE in a porn mag years ago.

Your comments here are seriously ridiculous and if that is how you speak to someone who has put his heart and soul into making the community a better place then I hate to even think about how you treat your buyers.

You have been in the biz 5 minutes and are almost calling Panty trust out to be a fake, despite everything Bill has provided and explained to you – honey I think you just burnt your bridges. 

I’d go and do something else if I were you as you are clearly not serious about selling and obviously don’t give two shits about any buyers that might come your way.  In fact the way YOU are acting actually looks as though the only fake here is yourself.

[Anna]

[quote author=jessicasdirtyknickers link=topic=2624.msg17078#msg17078 date=1189991953]
so I have to send my product free of charge to someone i’ve never heard of and also pay for the privilege.

This is exactly the sort of statement that I would expect from someone who has absolutely no consideration for the fears of her potential buyers, and has done no research into the business past the point of ‘How much can I earn?’.

Tell me Jessica, why should a buyer send £20 to someone he has never heard of?

Believe me sweetheart, I have no interest in sniffing your knickers!

[Author]

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