Panty Snatcher News

[joe]

Okay, I read that news story. I get that this guy was breaking into peoples’ homes. That is and should be against the law. What I don’t get is why he is now labeled a sex offender. Just because of what he was stealing? He never had any contact with the woman, at least not according to that news story. I’ve read posts and stories on several boards about guys lifting panties, interesting reads maybe but you’ll never catch me doing it. It does trouble me though about this sex offender business, is someone with a panty fetish a sexual deviant? We’re into sexy ladies wearing panties, other guys are totally into tits, legs, whatever, so what?  :unsure:

[Anna]

I think he’s was registered because he was convicted…simple.

I read an awful article about the US where underage teenagers were caught having sex (both consensual), the lad was prosecuted and put on the sex offenders register meaning that he then wasn’t able to drop off or collect his resulting baby from it’s nursery and then school.  Now that is tragic and wrong.

It’s shame indeed when mild ‘offenses’ like these result in men being stuck with the same label as serious sex offenders such as rapists and paedophiles.

[Delicious_Jess]

I don’t know, you know. The way I see it, I want to be in this industry and I enjoy it. I expect others to respect my right to want to do this, therefore I HAVE to respect people decision not to. I can’t ask for any respect if I didn’t.

Not everyone wants to be someones victim when it comes to sexual satisfaction, If that woman wanted to turn that guy on, she would! When a guy breaks in to your house, steals your intimates, and jacks off in them he’s obviously gone a step beyond “innocently” nabbing off the washing line. What if they were kids knickers? Then is he a sex preditor? I think it was right to brand him a sexual preditor, the act was sexual. Same as if he broke in, lived in your loft, and spyed at you through holes in the roof.

Get your kicks but not at someones expense. They have the right not to participate. You don’t know how it made those women feel. It sickens some people and it’s not right to make someone feel that way because you want your kicks. It’s not like there’s no options, plenty of sellers. Buying with  consent is a fetish, he’s criminal and damaging. And if he has the guts to break in and steal what next when the kick from that becomes mundane? I’m a seller and if a guy was stealing mine I’d set the dog on him!!

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[Anna]

You’re quite right Jess  (Hi Jess  :kiss:)  the key word is consensual.

Think about it, just because the woman wasn’t touched by the panty pincher, does not mean that she wasn’t traumatized.  Flashers don’t touch the woman and girls they expose to themselves to but it can have a huge impact.  When I was 15  and travelling home on a public bus on a Sunday afternoon a guy sat near me and masturbated, but is that okay because he didn’t touch me?  That affected me for a long time.  He invaded my space and he invaded my sexuality by forcing his own upon me.

If my panties were pinched I would feel violated.  Selling my panties is my decision, therefore it is done with my consent.

Consent and respect go hand in hand for a reason.

No the guy isn’t in the same league as a rapist granted but yes he is a sexual offender. 

He can not be compared to buyers such as you guys, so don’t feel bad for him.  The issue isn’t that it was panties he stole, the issue is that he invaded her privacy and stole her property without her consent. 

As to your comment about other guys liking legs and boobs: any guy who tries helping themselves to those with the owner’s consent is likely to end up on the sexual offender’s register too!

[andie]

I read the story too and from my understanding, the issue is that he stole panties. He broke into a house and stole property. This is breaking and entering and theft. The article doesn’t say anything about him jacking off in the house, just that panties were taken. If he would have stolen her television, he would have been charged with the b&e and theft. Since he stole panties he gets a sex offender designation. I don’t know what that means to people living elsewhere, but here in the States being labeled as a sex offender puts your picture and address on a public website, requires you to register each time you move, prohibits you from certain jobs, prohibits you from living near a church, school, etc. Recently, cities have been passing laws prohibiting sex offenders from living within the city period. Not to mention that it is open season here and vigilantes are killing these guys left and right.

Don’t get me wrong, all of this is a blessing (except murder of course) if the sex offender is a sex offender. Pedophiles, rapists, flashers are a danger to society. The guy in the article is a criminal for robbing someones house. If he sniffed some panties in the privacy of his own home though is he a danger to society and children? If I had a one night stand with a woman and swiped a pair of her panties for a souvenir on the way out the door, would that make me a sexual predator?

[Delicious_Jess]

*Jess waves at Anna* Hellooooo  :kiss:

I guess it all depends on what you view as a violation. Same as you Anna, when I was a young teenager I was walking around a lake with my mate, when a guy grabbed my ass, ran in front and flashed me. In comparison to a rapist that’s small time, does it make it any less worse, no. Now I’m 25 and get my ass grabbed as a standard day to day practice. It still pees me off.

To send them to prison is to punish them in the eyes of the law, to add them to a sex offendors list is to punish them on behalf of the women who he violated. What does a couple of months in jail do? You get out and carry on with life. It doesn’t balance with what he makes the woman feel. People get shakey to know your average robber has been in their home, their sanctuary and safe haven. But to know a guy has been in your home among your things, taken something to get sexual gratification from, it must be a horrible feeling. Was he in my bed sniffing my sheets, did he play with himself in my house? See what I mean? What if he breaks in again and my family are here? I’d move quite frankly, no one has the right to do that to one woman let alone hundreds. That hardship doesn’t tally with a couple of months in a cushy jail.

I don’t think it’s the matter of him being a sniffer, it’s the extreme lengths he’s willing to go to get them. If the guy knew he’d be branded a sex offendor and he still did it, then he’s his own fool. So he can’t work with kids or be in areas of the country that don’t wish to have that kind of scum around them. Not a bad thing I think. I wouldn’t want him teaching my kids either (not that I have any)

Guys like that give the adult industry a bad name. The fewer the better I think.

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[darkhairedkaren]

This wasn’t the first time he was caught, either.  Maybe he confessed that he did it as a sexual compulsion…  Being caught a second time (and the number of offenses he’s linked to) shows that he was either unwilling or unable to control himself.  That is problematic.

As far as vigilante justice goes, I’d think vigilantes would be far more likely to go after a child rapist than a panty snatcher.  Even vigilantes have priorities (and only have 24 hours in a day!)

[andie]

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As far as vigilante justice goes, I’d think vigilantes would be far more likely to go after a child rapist than a panty snatcher. 

There is no distinction here in the USA. The general public would have no way of knowing. This one label is applied to all. A person labeled a sex offender could be a rapist, pedophile, flasher, a drunk that grabbed a woman’s ass in a bar, and now apparently, a person that has a fetish for panties.

I don’t know the whole story, only what I read in that little news piece, and I’m not defending what the guy did, he is a criminal who I wouldn’t want living next to me either. It is interesting that both of you ladies posting are from overseas. What you might not be aware of is far right crackdown we are experiencing over here. This case may be just one more step to laws being passed here saying that anyone with a panty fetish, or any fetish is a sexual deviant that doesn’t belong in our society.

[admin]

Wow, very interesting discussion. On the point about the crackdown on anything sexual in the USA, I can tell you that what you fear is already here Andie. We’ve had posts in this forum, and I’ve received email from people who make no distinction at all between a rapist and a person that has a sexual fetish of any kind. These people believe 100% that a person who buys and sniffs used panties is every bit as dangerous and criminal as any other sexual “deviant”. If they had their way, they’d publicly stone every panty buyer and seller here for “moral” issues.

Also Andie, unless you consider the Great Lakes a sea, Karen isn’t overseas.

Let me take this great opportunity to say that Panty Hog is here for panty fetishists and providers who are legal adults that enjoy a consensual relationship. We in no way condone any criminal activity such as panty theft, or the violation of another person.

[darkhairedkaren]

Yeah Andie, I’m your socialist-leaning neighbour to the north.  ;)  Our right wing party is in power right now mad, but we’ve got them on a tight leash.  A lot of citizens feel they have a hard-core Christian agenda they’d like to oppress the population with…  They haven’t had the balls to try it yet, though. 

A person labeled a sex offender could be a rapist, pedophile, flasher, a drunk that grabbed a woman’s ass in a bar, and now apparently, a person that has a fetish for panties.

You mean a person that has a fetish for panties that STEALS them.  Seriously, if I were the panty snatcher and the vigilantes came to my door, I’d scream “I was labeled a sex offender because I stole ladies’ panties!  The guy at 123 Main Street, Apt. #12, he’s a serial rapist!  Go get him!”  I can see where you’re getting at, with the label perhaps being harsh for the crime; I guess I would like to hear the justice system’s rationale for applying it to this guy.  There may be information and factors that we just don’t know about because they weren’t printed in the news story.  But I still maintain that being caught multiple times (and stealing 854 panties) shows more than a minor fetish or thrill-seeking behaviour.

[Anna]

[quote author=andie link=topic=1031.msg6229#msg6229 date=1144790927]
It is interesting that both of you ladies posting are from overseas. What you might not be aware of is far right crackdown we are experiencing over here.

Jess and I are both from the UK and so no, granted, I suppose we have no idea what is going on over there.  We also have a sex offenders register but hardly anyone looks at it including the damn authorities!  mad  It’s certainly not available to the public.  So from that I can see why your reaction is so very different from ours.

To be on our register you have to be a really bad guy doing some really bad things, and if they ever do finally get convicted then you know they’ve done hell of a lot before and have got away with it.

Surely by lumping panty sniffers in with rapist you are devaluing the truly abhorrent act of rape?  This makes no sense to me at all. 

🙁

[Anna]

Here you go everyone.  I’ve found a similar news item regarding knicker theft in the UK.  Although you may say that the UK incident isn’t as serious as the UK guy in the number of panties stolen, the UK guy had been convicted of burglary previously.

Knickers theft ‘odd and bizarre’

Look at what the UK guy got compared to the US guy….huge difference!

Anna the Newshound  😉

[Delicious_Jess]

I’m not sure that the list was only ever confined to rape etc, it’s just that we associate it with that kind of severity. Surely it has variations on severity, hence why this guy is on it. It’s not like he wasn’t warned, he did it 854 times. You need to up the punishment if the guy’s not listening. Do you put him in jail every few months and hope for the best. I’m sorry but he’d have been killed ANYWAY if they did that. The guy has about 854 women’s husbands/fathers/brothers hunting him down so he’s in enough trouble even if he didn’t make it on to the list. And if the state said “oh well, throw him in jail” over and over then the vigilantes would get their own justice because the system is failing them.

In this life you reap what you sew. You shouldn’t make someone your victim if you’re not willing to become one yourself.

[Anna]

Aaaaaand another..

Original story – Builder guilty of sex toys theft

and his sentence – Knickers thief banned from Scilly

Again, a huuuge difference in sentencing compared to the US guy.

Anna the newshound …woof woof

[andie]

Hmm…I’m not sure if you’re talking to me Jess, if you are, you’re preaching to the choir. This guy and guys like him should be locked away he’s a criminal. I just don’t know if you’ll ever convince me that his taking two pairs of panties out of a drawer in an empty house is equivalent to raping someone. The label says it is equivalent, so apparently my opinion is out of the mainstream.

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